[majorvices]

South - here's a look at my IPA.

House IPA

12 gallons
OG 1.065 - 1.068
BU ~70

12 lbs Pils Malt
12 lbs Maris Otter
2 lbs Wheat
2 llbs cara vienne

1oz Magnum (14) @ 60
1oz Columbus (14) @ 20
2 oz Columbus (14) @ 10
2 oz Centennial (10.5) @ 10
2 oz Columbus @ 2
2 oz Centennial @ 2

US-05

[deepsouth]

Still don't get this fascination with black "IPAs"...

good stuff yo.

[majorvices]

This fascination is the conundrum - how can you have something that is Black and Pale?  (sorry all of you that have heard me blab about this before. )

[deepsouth]

and whomever mentioned the imperial mild.....  my friend is working on one.

[blatz]

This fascination is the conundrum - how can you have something that is Black and Pale?  (sorry all of you that have heard me blab about this before. )

its kinda like jumbo shrimp.  which I also like...

I've only had 2, but the Stone one is simply divine. 

[beersk]

This fascination is the conundrum - how can you have something that is Black and Pale?  (sorry all of you that have heard me blab about this before. )

Then it's not an IPA, it's a hoppy black ale.  And jumbo shrimp are still shrimp, they are still pretty small organisms.

[deepsouth]

the best thing about beer is the only limit is your imagination!

[a10t2]

deepsouth - it depends a lot on the AA (of course) but I generally use 12-15oz of hops (mostly C-hops, Simcoe and Amarillo - so mostly high alpha stuff) for a 12gal batch of IPA - 2-3 for dryhop, ~2 for bittering, 8-10 for <20 minutes, including flameout additions.

That sounds about right to me. I use ~6 oz for a 5 gal batch. About 1 oz at 60 min (~40 IBU), .5 oz at 20, 15, 10, and 5 min, 1.5 oz at 0, and 1.5 oz dry hop. comes out to 70-80 IBU or so for typical 8-12% AA hops.

[babalu87]

I'd question the use of oats but otherwise the recipe looks ok, maybe cut back the Crystal to 1/2 or 3/4 lb.

I use Brown malt in mine along with 15% Munich 2% Roasted and 1+% Carafa II or III

Still don't get this fascination with black "IPAs"...

Wow, very insightful
Do you have anything else to add?

[majorvices]

Yeah, I'm all about trying my hand a a Black IPA, or a Hoppy Black Ale, or whatever you want to call it. I'm fascinated with giving people a hard time about the name - however I wouldn't turn down a pint, that's for sure. 

One thing I will say on the topic: IMO just making the color dark is not good enough for me. I want just a touch of roast character if I am going to call it a black IPA. I think the small addition of Black or Roasted Malt/Barley is a good idea.

[babalu87]

Yeah, I'm all about trying my hand a a Black IPA, or a Hoppy Black Ale, or whatever you want to call it. I'm fascinated with giving people a hard time about the name - however I wouldn't turn down a pint, that's for sure. 

One thing I will say on the topic: IMO just making the color dark is not good enough for me. I want just a touch of roast character if I am going to call it a black IPA. I think the small addition of Black or Roasted Malt/Barley is a good idea.

THIS

When I was making up the recipe I wanted dark AND roasty
I think the brown malt was key in mine as well.

[blatz]

I'd question the use of oats but otherwise the recipe looks ok, maybe cut back the Crystal to 1/2 or 3/4 lb.

I use Brown malt in mine along with 15% Munich 2% Roasted and 1+% Carafa II or III

so its really a Schwartzbier-IPA  or is it Baltic IPA  

I agree with you Keith, and the Stone version has just the right amount of roastiness.  I would think that a decent amount of Carafa Special will get you there.

Interesting use of the brown malt - I will have to keep that in mind when I get around to making one of these.

Good discussion.

[babalu87]

so its really a Schwartzbier-IPA  or is it Baltic IPA

Those would both require the use of a lager yeast 

[blatz]

Those would both require the use of a lager yeast 

touche!  (though Baltic could be with ale yeast).

perhaps I should make one with 830 and call it an IndiaSchwartzbier to really screw with people!

[deepsouth]

i looked at my hops yesterday and i have some odd ones i haven't tried yet...

zeus
apollo
citra....

maybe a good beer to try some of these as late hop additions in small-ish amounts?