[gordonstrong]

I like caramunich. Use it.

The real question is whether you're using light Munich or dark Munich...  Heh heh heh.

[bluesman]

I like caramunich. Use it.

Yes!

Some caramunich will help develop those dark fruit flavors over time.

[narvin]

I like CaraMunich in a quad too...  I often use more, although it's usually 60L.  Never had a problem getting great attenuation with it.  It seems to be a pretty standard ingredient in most of the Trappist beers according to BLAM, even more so than Special B.

[denny]

OK, here's what I'm gonna start brewing in a few minutes.  I kept the caramunich and upped the D-180 to 2 jars (2 lb.) as well as keeping the turbinado in there.  Ron, I considered a longer boil than 90 min., but with all the flavor contributed by that much D-180 I just don't think it's necessary.  I'm cutting my water 40% with distilled and adding a bit of CaCl2, which according to Martin's spreadsheet puts me perfectly into the light malty range (remember, even though it will be a dark beer, none of the color is coming from grain so I don't need to adjust the mash for it).  Gordon, I'm using Best Munich II which is roughly 9L.

#400 Batch 400

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (Gal):         5.50    Wort Size (Gal):    5.50
Total Grain (Lbs):       20.50
Anticipated OG:          1.103    Plato:             24.35
Anticipated SRM:          30.2
Anticipated IBU:          26.0
Brewhouse Efficiency:       73 %
Wort Boil Time:             90    Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Evaporation Rate:       1.50    Gallons Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size:    7.75    Gal
Pre-Boil Gravity:      1.073    SG          17.72  Plato


Grain/Extract/Sugar

   %     Amount     Name                          Origin        Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 73.2    15.00 lbs. Pilsener                      Germany        1.038      2
  9.8     2.00 lbs. D-180                                        1.032    180
  9.8     2.00 lbs. Munich Malt                   Germany        1.037      9
  4.9     1.00 lbs. Turbinado Sugar                              1.047      0
  2.4     0.50 lbs. CaraMunich 80                 France         1.034     80

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

   Amount     Name                              Form    Alpha  IBU  Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  2.50 oz.    Hallertauer                       Pellet   3.90  26.0  60 min.
  1.00 oz.    Strisselspalt 2007                Pellet   2.50   0.0  0 min.


Extras

  Amount      Name                           Type      Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
  0.20 Oz     Corriander Seed                Spice      5 Min.(boil)


Yeast
-----

WYeast 3787 Trappist High Gravity


Mash Schedule
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Mash Name:

Total Grain Lbs:   17.50
Total Water Qts:   26.00 - Before Additional Infusions
Total Water Gal:    6.50 - Before Additional Infusions

Tun Thermal Mass:   0.13
Grain Temp:        65.00 F


                     Step   Rest   Start   Stop  Heat     Infuse   Infuse  Infuse
Step Name            Time   Time   Temp    Temp  Type     Temp     Amount  Ratio
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
sacc                   0     90    147     147   Infuse   162       26.00   1.49


Total Water Qts:           26.00 - After Additional Infusions
Total Water Gal:            6.50 - After Additional Infusions
Total Mash Volume Gal:      7.90 - After Additional Infusions

All temperature measurements are degrees Fahrenheit.
All infusion amounts are in Quarts.
All infusion ratios are Quarts/Lbs.

[bluesman]

I agree Denny. Two jars of syrup will definitely add alot of flavor in a tradeoff for the extra 30 min of boiling. Recipe looks good. My next batch of beer will be a BPA then I'll make a quad. My plan is to use the yeast cake from the BPA for the quad. I'll post a recipe when I get to it.

How long are going to age this one?

[denny]

How long are going to age this one?

Until it's done!   

BTW, I tasted the D-180 before deciding how much to use and it's definitely a different flavor than D-2.  Maybe a bit more coffee like.

[bluesman]

How long are going to age this one?

Until it's done!   

BTW, I tasted the D-180 before deciding how much to use and it's definitely a different flavor than D-2.  Maybe a bit more coffee like.

Quads develop alot of different flavors as they age kind of like Barleywines. Depends on your preferences I suppose.

I'll probably use D-180 in mine as well. The coffee like flavor should ferment out into a really nice flavor.

[Hokerer]

Ron, I considered a longer boil than 90 min., but with all the flavor contributed by that much D-180 I just don't think it's necessary.

But wait, according to this guy this morning... http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=7707.msg95373#msg95373, if you boil longer, you'll get higher efficiency.  

[denny]

Quads develop alot of different flavors as they age kind of like Barleywines. Depends on your preferences I suppose.

I'll probably use D-180 in mine as well. The coffee like flavor should ferment out into a really nice flavor.

When I added it to the kettle the entire garage/brewery was filled with the aroma of dates!

[bluesman]

Quads develop alot of different flavors as they age kind of like Barleywines. Depends on your preferences I suppose.

I'll probably use D-180 in mine as well. The coffee like flavor should ferment out into a really nice flavor.

When I added it to the kettle the entire garage/brewery was filled with the aroma of dates!

Sweeetttt! (no pun intended)  

What was your OG?

[EHall]

I brewed this last Nov, won't get touched until about Aug/Sept this year. The IBUs are higher than style but I wanted to try something different... tasted very good going into the bottle.

A ProMash Recipe Report
Recipe Specifics
----------------
Batch Size (Gal):         3.00    Wort Size (Gal):    3.00
Total Grain (Lbs):        9.31
Anticipated OG:          1.091    Plato:             21.76
Anticipated SRM:          16.8
Anticipated IBU:          74.2
Brewhouse Efficiency:       75 %
Wort Boil Time:             60    Minutes

Grain/Extract/Sugar
   %     Amount     Name                          Origin        Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 53.7     5.00 lbs. Pilsener                      Belgium        1.037      2
 21.5     2.00 lbs. Vienna Malt                   Germany        1.037      3
  5.4     0.50 lbs. CaraMunich Malt               Belgium        1.033     75
 10.7     1.00 lbs. Turbinado Sugar               Generic        1.046      0
  3.4     0.31 lbs. Biscuit Malt                  Belgium        1.035     24
  3.4     0.31 lbs. Special B Malt                Belgian        1.030    120
  2.0     0.19 lbs. Victory Malt                  America        1.034     25

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.

Hops
   Amount     Name                              Form    Alpha  IBU  Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  2.00 oz.    Hallertauer Mittelfruh            Pellet   3.90  53.2  60 min.
  0.25 oz.    Sterling                          Whole    7.00  10.8  60 min.
  2.00 oz.    Saazer                            Pellet   2.80  10.2  15 min.

Yeast
----
White Labs WLP530 Abbey Ale

Mash Schedule
-------------

Mash Type: Single Step

Grain Lbs:    8.31
Water Qts:   10.52 - Before Additional Infusions
Water Gal:    2.63 - Before Additional Infusions

Qts Water Per Lbs Grain: 1.27 - Before Additional Infusions

Saccharification Rest Temp : 148  Time:  60
Mash-out Rest Temp :           0  Time:   0
Sparge Temp :                170  Time:  10

[denny]

Quads develop alot of different flavors as they age kind of like Barleywines. Depends on your preferences I suppose.

I'll probably use D-180 in mine as well. The coffee like flavor should ferment out into a really nice flavor.

When I added it to the kettle the entire garage/brewery was filled with the aroma of dates!

Sweeetttt! (no pun intended)  

What was your OG?

1.104

[bluesman]

Quads develop alot of different flavors as they age kind of like Barleywines. Depends on your preferences I suppose.

I'll probably use D-180 in mine as well. The coffee like flavor should ferment out into a really nice flavor.

When I added it to the kettle the entire garage/brewery was filled with the aroma of dates!

Sweeetttt! (no pun intended)  

What was your OG?

1.104

Ahhh yes...triple digits. 

That should be a real fine beer Denny.

[SpanishCastleAle]

My Patersbeir 'yeast starter batch' is bubbling away right now so my Quad is <2 weeks away.  Couple of questions if you don't mind Denny:

What's your target FG (or ABV)?

Have you compared the Dark Candi Inc. Belgian candi syrups with the equivalent Candi Syrup Inc. products?  Are they pretty much interchangeable or is there a noticable difference?

[denny]

My Patersbeir 'yeast starter batch' is bubbling away right now so my Quad is <2 weeks away.  Couple of questions if you don't mind Denny:

What's your target FG (or ABV)?

Have you compared the Dark Candi Inc. Belgian candi syrups with the equivalent Candi Syrup Inc. products?  Are they pretty much interchangeable or is there a noticable difference?

For the Patersbier, about 1.055.  For the quad, it was 1.104, right where I landed.    I've always used the D2 in the past.  This was my first experience with the D-180.  They're similar, but I did find some flavor differences.  The D2 has a kind of rummy, figgy flavor to it, while the D-180 reminded me  a bit more of coffee and dates.  Since this is the first time with D-180, I don't know how much of that will come through when it ferments.  I'd say they're close enough to be interchangeable in a broad sense, but in certain cases you may be looking for the characteristics of one or the other.  Based on the description on the Candi Syrup website, the D-90 might be more like the D2, but I haven't tried that one yet.  I hope to get my hands on some of the Simplicity soon and try that in a tripel.