[weithman5]

AND FWIW I like Mexican beer and can be caught every October on the Gulf of Mexico drinking a corona with a lime. All ya'll can scoff all you want, I don't care.  

I have been pondering this thread for several days.  I like my light lager's too, and i am still a big fan of budweiser.  my big problem with them is that they are now not a good ol american company.  I love lots of different beers, some I cant' stand(guinness). I know wine snobs that don't seem to be as snobbish as some beer snobs lately.   So if it is the style people don't like, fine, but why bash it so badly.  If goose island, two brother's or great lakes made a beer similar to busch would it now be a good craft beer?

[a10t2]

If goose island, two brother's or great lakes made a beer similar to busch would it now be a good craft beer?

Goose Island are bad guys now, remember? We shall speak of them no more.

[tschmidlin]

If goose island, two brother's or great lakes made a beer similar to busch would it now be a good craft beer?

It's a craptacular style of beer no matter who makes it.  They might make an awesome example of that style, but that doesn't make it a good beer.

[weithman5]

that's right about goose island. big section in the sunday tribune here about them and some of the other local breweries.
and Tom, yes craptacular in general to many, but i like it,( not as much as vienna, bock, etc, but more than many styles) and if it isn't worthy maybe it should be pulled from the BJCP

[tschmidlin]

that's right about goose island. big section in the sunday tribune here about them and some of the other local breweries.
and Tom, yes craptacular in general to many, but i like it,( not as much as vienna, bock, etc, but more than many styles) and if it isn't worthy maybe it should be pulled from the BJCP

Of course it should be included, it's a valid style that many people enjoy.  I'm just not one of those people, that was the opinion I was expressing.  A good beer is a good beer no matter who makes it, although I'd add that I tend to buy beers from companies that are not massive conglomerations.

Now amercian hefeweizen, that should be banned.

[Pinski]

Corona gives me a headache.  I've always liked an occasional Negra Modelo with some green enchiladas if that's what is available.

[weithman5]

Tom,
actually I think we then agree on concepts.  different beers for different people. also i am with you on the big company thing.  that is my biggest deterrent to many of the inbev products and such.

[gmac]

Tom,
actually I think we then agree on concepts.  different beers for different people. also i am with you on the big company thing.  that is my biggest deterrent to many of the inbev products and such.

I'm curious.  Is the problem that a big company owns it or that the beer quality will suffer?  I used to drink a lot of Sleeman products because I went to school in Guelph where it's brewed and my wife worked there for a short time and an aquaintance works there.  When Sapporo bought them (I'm not sure what the company name is but they make Sapporo), I wasn't happy but I haven't noticed a change in the beer and now I'm drinking it just as before.  Yes, would I prefer that they were wholly locally owned...yes but they aren't but the beer is still good. 

My favourite summer beer these days is Steamwhistle Pilsner which I'm sure many of you have never had.  It's a light pilsner that is probably better overall quality that Corona but I'm wondering what people on here would think of it.

[tschmidlin]

Is the problem that a big company owns it or that the beer quality will suffer?

Speaking strictly for myself, question #1 is "Do I like it?"  If the answer is yes I may or may not buy it.  If I haven't had it, I will probably try it.

My general guidelines beyond that are, is it a small company, and is it local?  I want it to be locally made because it supports the local economy and water/glass is not being shipped all over the world, which pollutes and is wasteful.  I want it to be from a small company because in my opinion that is important for competition, quality, and variety.

My local bottle shop stocks over 800 different bottles, and that is not including the many local breweries that don't distribute.  I'm lucky, I can pick and choose.  I've tried most of them, but when I go back for more I buy repeatedly based on several factors that include taste, style, brewery location, company size, are the owners cool or douchey, how well do I know the brewer personally, price, my mood, time of day, the list can go on and on.

The smallest and most local is of course my homebrew, and I like that plenty

[gmac]

Is the problem that a big company owns it or that the beer quality will suffer?

I buy repeatedly based on several factors that include taste, style, brewery location, company size, are the owners cool or douchey, how well do I know the brewer personally, price, my mood, time of day, the list can go on and on.

The smallest and most local is of course my homebrew, and I like that plenty

So in that case the owners are cool right

I wonder if they OP ever came back?

[denny]

if it isn't worthy maybe it should be pulled from the BJCP

The BJCP guidelines are about categorizing beers, not deciding if they're good or bad. 

[tschmidlin]

The smallest and most local is of course my homebrew, and I like that plenty

So in that case the owners are cool right

He can be kind of a dick sometimes, but I've known him a long time and I like him anyway.

[majorvices]

Corona gives me a headache.  I've always liked an occasional Negra Modelo with some green enchiladas if that's what is available.

I can literally drink 4-6 coronas on the beach and barely catch a buzz. Certainly no head ache. those types of beers I don't normally gravitate too - but the best beer I ever tasted was the Miller Genuine Draft I had on the way back from a 4 day, 3 night back packing trip. It was ice cold, the only thing available, and delicious. I drank two of them, one right after the other and started working on my third before I lost my taste for it. but that first bottle was delicious.

On my last back packing trip I was really thirsty for a beer. I told the guys around me I would have even drank a coors light had someone offered me one. Then I took a swig of my filtered branch water and declared that coors light was actually lighter tasting than that.

I guess the point of the matter is that just about any beer has its place at certain times. I absolutely love Orval, but you won't catch me guzzling one after spending three days out in the woods without any beer. Nor would you catch me drinking one at 10 am on the gulf of mexico. But you will absoluetly find me drinking one on christmas morning/afternoon after the kids are done opening preasents (tradition.)

I should point out that 99% of the time I drink IPA when I am thirsty for a beer. Like now. 

[ckpash88]

Yeah i was expecting for people to take a while to respond.

And to respond to one of the first messages. I am making this batch for my buddies birthday in june because he asked me to.

Kegging and carbonating my own urine would be easier but i dont think he would enjoy it.

I ended up going with...

6 punds of Extra-light DME
1.2 oz Tettanger hops for 60 min
.2 oz tettanger and saaz for the last 15 min
and bohemian lager yeast Wyeast 2124


So far it seems really dark I was thinking of cutting back 3 pounds of DME and subbing something like rice solids does anyone have any suggestions?

[Bret]

Corona gives me a headache.  I've always liked an occasional Negra Modelo with some green enchiladas if that's what is available.

I can literally drink 4-6 coronas on the beach and barely catch a buzz. Certainly no head ache. those types of beers I don't normally gravitate too - but the best beer I ever tasted was the Miller Genuine Draft I had on the way back from a 4 day, 3 night back packing trip. It was ice cold, the only thing available, and delicious. I drank two of them, one right after the other and started working on my third before I lost my taste for it. but that first bottle was delicious.

On my last back packing trip I was really thirsty for a beer. I told the guys around me I would have even drank a coors light had someone offered me one. Then I took a swig of my filtered branch water and declared that coors light was actually lighter tasting than that.

I guess the point of the matter is that just about any beer has its place at certain times. I absolutely love Orval, but you won't catch me guzzling one after spending three days out in the woods without any beer. Nor would you catch me drinking one at 10 am on the gulf of mexico. But you will absoluetly find me drinking one on christmas morning/afternoon after the kids are done opening preasents (tradition.)

I should point out that 99% of the time I drink IPA when I am thirsty for a beer. Like now. 

I really appreciate what you are saying here major.  I think it shows how much drinking is a subjective thing, and what you are experiencing is as important as what you  are drinking.  I generally dislike Miller Lite, but an ice cold can of it from a cooler of ice, during a softball game with my friends can approach beervana.