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Quote from: denny on October 07, 2021, 08:46:17 amQuote from: fredthecat on October 06, 2021, 07:21:59 pmi have used glass for the first 5 years of my brewing, switched to some glass, some non-better bottle brand PET carboys, and am now using glass again.i felt like i was getting oxidation in the PET carboys. they were widemouth type.i should try better bottle again. everyone here says they work fine.I think it might have been your imagination.Nope they are permeable
Quote from: fredthecat on October 06, 2021, 07:21:59 pmi have used glass for the first 5 years of my brewing, switched to some glass, some non-better bottle brand PET carboys, and am now using glass again.i felt like i was getting oxidation in the PET carboys. they were widemouth type.i should try better bottle again. everyone here says they work fine.I think it might have been your imagination.
i have used glass for the first 5 years of my brewing, switched to some glass, some non-better bottle brand PET carboys, and am now using glass again.i felt like i was getting oxidation in the PET carboys. they were widemouth type.i should try better bottle again. everyone here says they work fine.
Quote from: ahgrafx on October 07, 2021, 04:40:14 pmQuote from: RC on October 06, 2021, 06:08:13 pmPersonally, I would skip the cleaning and sanitizing of a new glass carboy, and instead travel back in time and not buy one in the first place. Using a glass carboy is like holding a bomb with a lit fuse.If you must use it, it just needs a quick rinse before sanitizing. There is no crud in it since it's new, and so there is no need for soaking with a cleaner. They are very slippery when wet, especially when PBW is involved, so be extremely careful.I know that is why I want to skip the pbw, I have cut proof sleeve protectors and gloves I wear. You can't age in plastic I'm doing cider there is no other optionSent from my HD1905 using TapatalkUse LBW. There are options for aging besides glass and plastic. And I have made MANY batches of cider using buckets or Genesis fermenters with no problem.
Quote from: RC on October 06, 2021, 06:08:13 pmPersonally, I would skip the cleaning and sanitizing of a new glass carboy, and instead travel back in time and not buy one in the first place. Using a glass carboy is like holding a bomb with a lit fuse.If you must use it, it just needs a quick rinse before sanitizing. There is no crud in it since it's new, and so there is no need for soaking with a cleaner. They are very slippery when wet, especially when PBW is involved, so be extremely careful.I know that is why I want to skip the pbw, I have cut proof sleeve protectors and gloves I wear. You can't age in plastic I'm doing cider there is no other optionSent from my HD1905 using Tapatalk
Personally, I would skip the cleaning and sanitizing of a new glass carboy, and instead travel back in time and not buy one in the first place. Using a glass carboy is like holding a bomb with a lit fuse.If you must use it, it just needs a quick rinse before sanitizing. There is no crud in it since it's new, and so there is no need for soaking with a cleaner. They are very slippery when wet, especially when PBW is involved, so be extremely careful.
Quote from: ahgrafx on October 07, 2021, 04:41:56 pmQuote from: denny on October 07, 2021, 08:46:17 amQuote from: fredthecat on October 06, 2021, 07:21:59 pmi have used glass for the first 5 years of my brewing, switched to some glass, some non-better bottle brand PET carboys, and am now using glass again.i felt like i was getting oxidation in the PET carboys. they were widemouth type.i should try better bottle again. everyone here says they work fine.I think it might have been your imagination.Nope they are permeableI have aged beers in plastic for up to 6 months, and I can very confidently say, as can some of my fellow beer snobs who are judges and have tried these beers, that there was no hint of oxidative damage.Plastic fermenters might have oxygen permeability that is measurable in a lab, I won't argue with that, but it is not enough to be measurable via the only equipment that matters to me, i.e. my own palate. AFAIC, reality continuous to be victorious over theory in this regard.
The problem is not during fermentation because it is putting off CO2 Its in the aging after racking when there is no CO2Quote from: denny on October 07, 2021, 04:43:36 pmQuote from: ahgrafx on October 07, 2021, 04:40:14 pmQuote from: RC on October 06, 2021, 06:08:13 pmPersonally, I would skip the cleaning and sanitizing of a new glass carboy, and instead travel back in time and not buy one in the first place. Using a glass carboy is like holding a bomb with a lit fuse.If you must use it, it just needs a quick rinse before sanitizing. There is no crud in it since it's new, and so there is no need for soaking with a cleaner. They are very slippery when wet, especially when PBW is involved, so be extremely careful.I know that is why I want to skip the pbw, I have cut proof sleeve protectors and gloves I wear. You can't age in plastic I'm doing cider there is no other optionSent from my HD1905 using TapatalkUse LBW. There are options for aging besides glass and plastic. And I have made MANY batches of cider using buckets or Genesis fermenters with no problem.
I feremting cider not beer.Quote from: RC on October 07, 2021, 05:00:04 pmQuote from: ahgrafx on October 07, 2021, 04:41:56 pmQuote from: denny on October 07, 2021, 08:46:17 amQuote from: fredthecat on October 06, 2021, 07:21:59 pmi have used glass for the first 5 years of my brewing, switched to some glass, some non-better bottle brand PET carboys, and am now using glass again.i felt like i was getting oxidation in the PET carboys. they were widemouth type.i should try better bottle again. everyone here says they work fine.I think it might have been your imagination.Nope they are permeableI have aged beers in plastic for up to 6 months, and I can very confidently say, as can some of my fellow beer snobs who are judges and have tried these beers, that there was no hint of oxidative damage.Plastic fermenters might have oxygen permeability that is measurable in a lab, I won't argue with that, but it is not enough to be measurable via the only equipment that matters to me, i.e. my own palate. AFAIC, reality continuous to be victorious over theory in this regard.
Quote from: ahgrafx on October 07, 2021, 05:01:10 pmThe problem is not during fermentation because it is putting off CO2 Its in the aging after racking when there is no CO2Quote from: denny on October 07, 2021, 04:43:36 pmQuote from: ahgrafx on October 07, 2021, 04:40:14 pmQuote from: RC on October 06, 2021, 06:08:13 pmPersonally, I would skip the cleaning and sanitizing of a new glass carboy, and instead travel back in time and not buy one in the first place. Using a glass carboy is like holding a bomb with a lit fuse.If you must use it, it just needs a quick rinse before sanitizing. There is no crud in it since it's new, and so there is no need for soaking with a cleaner. They are very slippery when wet, especially when PBW is involved, so be extremely careful.I know that is why I want to skip the pbw, I have cut proof sleeve protectors and gloves I wear. You can't age in plastic I'm doing cider there is no other optionSent from my HD1905 using TapatalkUse LBW. There are options for aging besides glass and plastic. And I have made MANY batches of cider using buckets or Genesis fermenters with no problem.I understand. I have been making cider for 25 years, most of it in plastic fermenter. Have you actually had a problem you can trace to HDPE fermenters?
Doesn’t racking expose the cider to O2? Or are you able to push with CO2 into a purged, sealed carboy? Oxidation is definitely a real concern, but I would think that use of kegs would be the better route, given the ease of purging.
Interesting video. Why carboys fail: https://youtu.be/23P8k4AvCCw
Quote from: BrewBama on October 08, 2021, 09:15:18 pmInteresting video. Why carboys fail: https://youtu.be/23P8k4AvCCwvery fast summary:1. temperature shock 2. damage building up over time "microfractures"3. carrying it by the neck with a stresspoint handle#1 and #3 seem like no-brainers to me. #2 is probably from this nu-male struggling to carry a full carboy and bouncing it off the floor. lol. soy'll d that to ya.