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Offline John M

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Hey All, longtime brewer, once very sharp on most things brewing, but took a 3 year hiatus. Dove back into it recently, and a little rusty.. In Bru'nwater, I added the amount of minerals shown in the "Water Adjustment" tab (i.e. gram/gal), rather than the "Adjustment Summary" tab. In other words, I only added approximately 1/5 of the amount of Gypsum and Cal Chloride I should've.

Used 100% RO water. Only added .25 grams Gypsum, and .25 grams Cal Chloride. Seemed low at the time, but I was under the gun on time.. pH was adjusted correctly, thank goodness.

Wondering if it's a good idea to boil the rest of the minerals in say a half cup of water, chill, and add to the fermenter (which is probably 75% done)? Or possibly wait til fermentation is done? 
« Last Edit: December 13, 2023, 11:34:27 am by John »
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Re: Screwed up Water Mineral Additions: Can I add into fermentation?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2023, 12:36:07 pm »
Hey All, longtime brewer, once very sharp on most things brewing, but took a 3 year hiatus. Dove back into it recently, and a little rusty.. In Bru'nwater, I added the amount of minerals shown in the "Water Adjustment" tab (i.e. gram/gal), rather than the "Adjustment Summary" tab. In other words, I only added approximately 1/5 of the amount of Gypsum and Cal Chloride I should've.

Used 100% RO water. Only added .25 grams Gypsum, and .25 grams Cal Chloride. Seemed low at the time, but I was under the gun on time.. pH was adjusted correctly, thank goodness.

Wondering if it's a good idea to boil the rest of the minerals in say a half cup of water, chill, and add to the fermenter (which is probably 75% done)? Or possibly wait til fermentation is done?

Given what you forgot, and the fact that they can even be added post fermentation, I think you'd be fine to add them to the fermenter. I don't see any need to boil them.
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Re: Screwed up Water Mineral Additions: Can I add into fermentation?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2023, 02:11:54 pm »
Thanks Denny!
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Re: Screwed up Water Mineral Additions: Can I add into fermentation?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2023, 02:16:39 pm »
Hey All, longtime brewer, once very sharp on most things brewing, but took a 3 year hiatus. Dove back into it recently, and a little rusty.. In Bru'nwater, I added the amount of minerals shown in the "Water Adjustment" tab (i.e. gram/gal), rather than the "Adjustment Summary" tab. In other words, I only added approximately 1/5 of the amount of Gypsum and Cal Chloride I should've.

Used 100% RO water. Only added .25 grams Gypsum, and .25 grams Cal Chloride. Seemed low at the time, but I was under the gun on time.. pH was adjusted correctly, thank goodness.

Wondering if it's a good idea to boil the rest of the minerals in say a half cup of water, chill, and add to the fermenter (which is probably 75% done)? Or possibly wait til fermentation is done?

Given what you forgot, and the fact that they can even be added post fermentation, I think you'd be fine to add them to the fermenter. I don't see any need to boil them.
I've even added salts in the glass for a taste test with different levels. (It's a little tricky dosing a glass with the tiny amounts.)

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Re: Screwed up Water Mineral Additions: Can I add into fermentation?
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2023, 02:26:27 pm »
Hey All, longtime brewer, once very sharp on most things brewing, but took a 3 year hiatus. Dove back into it recently, and a little rusty.. In Bru'nwater, I added the amount of minerals shown in the "Water Adjustment" tab (i.e. gram/gal), rather than the "Adjustment Summary" tab. In other words, I only added approximately 1/5 of the amount of Gypsum and Cal Chloride I should've.

Used 100% RO water. Only added .25 grams Gypsum, and .25 grams Cal Chloride. Seemed low at the time, but I was under the gun on time.. pH was adjusted correctly, thank goodness.

Wondering if it's a good idea to boil the rest of the minerals in say a half cup of water, chill, and add to the fermenter (which is probably 75% done)? Or possibly wait til fermentation is done?

Given what you forgot, and the fact that they can even be added post fermentation, I think you'd be fine to add them to the fermenter. I don't see any need to boil them.
I've even added salts in the glass for a taste test with different levels. (It's a little tricky dosing a glass with the tiny amounts.)

Same here
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Re: Screwed up Water Mineral Additions: Can I add into fermentation?
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2023, 04:16:46 pm »
Hey All, longtime brewer, once very sharp on most things brewing, but took a 3 year hiatus. Dove back into it recently, and a little rusty.. In Bru'nwater, I added the amount of minerals shown in the "Water Adjustment" tab (i.e. gram/gal), rather than the "Adjustment Summary" tab. In other words, I only added approximately 1/5 of the amount of Gypsum and Cal Chloride I should've.

Used 100% RO water. Only added .25 grams Gypsum, and .25 grams Cal Chloride. Seemed low at the time, but I was under the gun on time.. pH was adjusted correctly, thank goodness.

Wondering if it's a good idea to boil the rest of the minerals in say a half cup of water, chill, and add to the fermenter (which is probably 75% done)? Or possibly wait til fermentation is done?

Given what you forgot, and the fact that they can even be added post fermentation, I think you'd be fine to add them to the fermenter. I don't see any need to boil them.
I've even added salts in the glass for a taste test with different levels. (It's a little tricky dosing a glass with the tiny amounts.)
I have done this (add CaCl and/or CaS04 in the glass) a couple of times to adjust an extract-based recipe. Rather than adding the salts directly, I created a concentrated solution.  I would a tablespoon (or teaspoon) of the solution, then taste the result.  In the end, the revised recipes came out better (and not over-mineralized).

If there's interest, I can go through my brew day notes and post the process.
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Re: Screwed up Water Mineral Additions: Can I add into fermentation?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2023, 05:43:38 pm »
Thanks BrewnWKopperKat. I think based on the consensus of responses, I'm going to add the remainder of the salts at packaging. I am confident in Brun'water, just didn't use it correctly jumping back in the saddle. I really appreciate everyone's kind responses.
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Re: Screwed up Water Mineral Additions: Can I add into fermentation?
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2023, 03:18:14 pm »
In the spirit of learning, maybe you'd consider bottling some without the salts to see what the impacts are?  Just a thought.

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Re: Screwed up Water Mineral Additions: Can I add into fermentation?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2023, 09:52:16 am »
In the spirit of learning, maybe you'd consider bottling some without the salts to see what the impacts are?  Just a thought.
Great idea! Thanks
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Re: Screwed up Water Mineral Additions: Can I add into fermentation?
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2023, 01:30:20 pm »
Definitely no problem with adding those missing salts sometime after the mash, including after fermentation. The only downside I see is that the actual mash pH was probably a few tenths higher than you targeted.
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Re: Screwed up Water Mineral Additions: Can I add into fermentation?
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2023, 10:51:04 am »
Definitely no problem with adding those missing salts sometime after the mash, including after fermentation. The only downside I see is that the actual mash pH was probably a few tenths higher than you targeted.
Thanks Martin!
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